Marvin Shilmer

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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The debate isn't about civility its about the proportionate actions taken toward an individual who was being uncivil.

  If a big man rushes me after demonstrating a willingness to injure me, and if I'm armed, then I'm going to do the civil thing of adding holes to the ones my attacker was born with. If I'm not armed then more than likely I'll suffer injuries and perhaps even death. I do not intend to make myself someone else's sacrificial lamb. If someone wants to injure or hurt me then they'll have to take whatever I can do in defense. If they don't want to accept my defense then the answer is simple. DON'T try and attack me. The right to LIVE is a right I own and anyone who attempts to take it away from me should be prepared to pay a comparable price themself.

  At the end of the day that is the thing to learn. If you attack someone you're placing YOURSELF at risk and YOU are responsible for the outcome.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  ??? How was Brown going to lethally attack Wilson making him an statistic when he had nothing on his person to do such a thing.

  How? With his bare hands, body mass and leverage. That's how.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I think this notion that people travelled across the country to be able to loot and rob is a convenient myth to pass off blame. No one spends that time and money on order to get a handful of crap from a convenience store. It was locals, the people who tried to stop them said it made no sense to do it to their own community. More idiots.

  I agree, Simon.

  Folks are as they were raised to be.

  It takes a village to raise a child.

  Who raised Michael Brown?

  The same village that finds itself being destroyed by its own members.

  This is where Michael Brown was led to think it okay to steal.

  This is where Michael Brown was led to think it okay to threaten violence on an innocent storekeeper.

  It is no surprise that members of the village that raised Michael Brown are looting and pillaging their own neighborhood. No surprise at all. They are acting just like they raised Michael Brown to act.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  "We need to work together to fix the system that allowed this to happen."—The Brown family, http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/justice/ferguson-grand-jury-decision/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

  Now just think about that piece of sage advice.

  What system “allowed” Michael Brown to feel it was right to steal from a retail store?

  What system “allowed” Michael Brown to feel is was right to threaten violence on a defenseless storekeeper?

  Fixing a system starts inside a family unit at the moment a new member is born into that family.

  After that fixing a system moves to the immediate community that family identifies itself with and is embraced by.

  My questions are:

  1. What is the Brown family changing to correct the system it allowed to let Michael Brown grow up thinking it okay to steal and threaten violence on innocent folk?

  2. What is the immediate community the Brown family identifies itself with and is embraced by changing to correct the system it allowed to let Michael Brown grow up thinking it okay to steal and threaten violence on innocent folk?

  Until these base units of social structure act to correct whatever “system” each exerts I contend it will be a nearly fruitless effort for further downstream social structures to correct things for them.

  My recommendations:

  1. The Brown family should act upon its own advice by correcting whatever it did that “allowed” Michael Brown to act as he did.

  2. Whatever immediate community embraced the Brown family and which the Brown family identified with should likewise act upon the Brown family’s advice by correcting whatever it did that “allowed” Michael Brown to act as he did.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Again we keep hearing the same complaint / accusations being made: "this is an example of how black lives are not valued"

  I agree Simon. Only education will solve that bit of utter ignorance. Men and women convinced of that are about as educated as men and women swayed by neo-Nazism.

  Persons who value black lives as less because of skin color are ignorant fools, and often are the offspring of ignorant fools. Ignorant fools do not tend to be swayed by criminal protests but, rather, tend to find confirmation by such behavior.

  Educated persons do not hold black lives as less valuable.

  So what do we have? Ignorant folks acting in a way that convinces other ignorant folks that their foolish thinking is valid.

  When ethnic disparity exists history shows an efficient method of raising the disparaged to parity is for the disparaged community to raise itself up rather than that disparaged group looking for someone else to raise them up.

  Who in the black community owns this method by working tirelessly to help their community raise itself up? What black community leadership focuses on addressing and correcting bad behavior within its own ranks first and foremost?

  To non-violent and civil protestors out there, regardless of national origin, race, religion, gender, age or anything else, I say “Good for you!!! How can assist you?”

  To thugs and so-called “leaders” who fail to prioritize addressing and correcting bad behavior within their own ranks first and foremost I say, “Shame on you!!! You carry a boatload of guilt!!! If and when you decide to start helping your community raise itself up then start with candid talk to your own, and put your OWN MONEY where your mouth is.”
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  MB was a fellon who instigated the incidenct

  Indeed! Oh, and I don't see anyone disputing Brown's criminal activity.

  So we have one man who just came off helping save the life of a child and we have another man who just came off an act of thievery and threatened violence.

  Glad the child-saving man was able to walk away from the incident. Wish the other man could have too. But then the other man chose to run from the police rather than pony up for his theivery and threatened violence.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Marvin Shilmer

  My summary of what is going on at the Ferguson event:

  -- I see ignorant people acting like ignorant people. That's about it.

  My recommendation for those displeased by the Ferguson grand jury:

  -- Register to vote and then use your registration.

  Between voting opportunities I recommend focusing on education and productive work, whether it be for profit or charity.

  Now we return to the regularly expected mayhem of ignorant people engaged in nonproductive drama. Right now it appears they're burning and robbing their own neighborhood. I guess we know now why the governer called up the guard.
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  Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

  by Simon in

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  it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

  we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

  be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Main thing to do if pulled over by a traffic cop in the USA:

  - KEEP YOUR HANDS IN PLAIN SIGHT for the patrol officer to see at all times!!!

  If you have to dig around in the car looking for something LET THE COP KNOW BEFORE REACHING.

  Don't forget the cop wants to get home alive too!
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  If you ask any JW what prophecies the WTS has made / got right then they will invariable say something about predicting 1914.

  And that's a real piece of irony because THE ONE THING so many JWs think Watchtower got right is one of the biggest failed predictions of all.

  Watchtower PREDICTED that armageddon would culminate in 1914. But guess what? Didn't happen. End of story. 1914 stands as one of Watchtower's all time biggest failed predictions.

  Here: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/05/taught-what-about-1914.html
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I say,

  "Label it however you want, the fact is the Watchtower organization has repeatedly predicted specific world shaking events and those predictions turned out false."

  Oh, and when SOMEONE ELSE does this the Watchtower organizations calls it "hollow prophecy"

  Hollow Prophecy

  http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/12/watchtower-hollow-prophecy.html